William Penwell

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  What is the most bizarre counsel you received as a JW, from a JW?

  by Funchback in

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  there were many addressed to me.

  for example, i once had a sister tell me i was gambling because i liked playing skill crane (the machine where you have to try to pick up prizes like stuffed animals) at the arcade.

  i then fired back a her: "you saw the r-rated movie 'backdraft.

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  One that comes to mind for me is when some would not eat holiday candies, chocolates foods etc. Once again the Watchtower being wishy washy on the subject where two dubs would read the same article and get two different meanings. This led to infighting amongst the rank and file dubs. The elders fall back line is always, well if it should make someone stumble then maybe you should do it.
  
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  Your Baptism Pics

  by kairos in

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  from the most important day of your life.... .

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  I now know I should never have being baptized as I did not understand all the ramifications of being a baptized JW. If I would have waited till I got out and worked in the world and educated myself it would have been different.
  
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  Having courage

  by Tigerlove in

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  a couple of days ago, i told the girl i study with that i didn't want to be part of the study anymore.

  this is the second time i've hold her this but the first time, i didn't make it clear.

  when i told her the first time, she stop coming for a week or two then she randomly showed up.

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  Once a JW has their hooks in you they can be harder to get rid of then an old stray dog. You have to learn to be firm and tell them NO I am not interested.
  
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  Did anyone see Jackson state "celebrating Christmas not a df'ing offence"?

  by Crazyguy in

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  i have seen posts on several you tube sites stating that jackson said during his rc testimony that jw's don't shun, celebrating christmas is not a disfellowshipping offence, birthdays are ok and ones doesn't have to agree with jw doctrine.

  i have read most of the posts on other threads while and after his testimony but never read any of this?

  did he really say these things or is someone on the net just stirring up some bs?.

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  Typical double speak from the dubs. He didn't say yes or no. This statement "That is not my understanding" is a lawyers way of evading the question. I recall when I was prepped for a hearing on a labor issue at work. The employers representative said rather than say yes or no just say that is not my understanding. That way they will not keep asking you questions in regards to that line of questioning. That way after the fact when questioned he can say I did not say that.
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  The folly of Watchtower's theodicy. Or, why would an all-powerful and all-wise God need to justify his sovereignty through suffering?

  by Island Man in

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  watchtower says that evil and suffering exist at present to vindicate jehovah as being the only one qualified to govern; to bear witness to man's inability to govern himself independent of god and under satan's direction.

  the claim is made that the questions raised by satan regarding god's motives as universal sovereign can only be answered by allowing humans to see the evil and suffering that results when man lives independent of god's protection and direction.. watchtower and jws seem to think that this is the best theodicy in the world.

  but there are some serious flaws in it.. 1. such a theodicy suggests that all perfect and intelligent creation, up until the advent of adam and eve, did not know god and his ways well enough to be confident that his motives as universal sovereign are pure.

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  Why would an all-powerful and all-wise God need to justify his sovereignty through suffering?

  This didn't make sense to me as a five year old child and still doesn't make sense to me.
  
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  Psychology: Sick of Elder Low tone slow paced talk

  by Aprostate Exam in

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  now after 21 years in professional psychology/humanities, i love talking to brothers that adopt a slow pace in speech, and low tone of voice when they deal with the rank and cold un-associated ones.

  my mirroring their present state in personality seems to psych them out for a bit.

  i then tap into my fast injection of logical sense, that throws them off.

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  I probably have missed reading a post of this but are the elders trained in their ministry school to deliberately talk slowly?
  
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  Anyone miss "Scholar" who used to post here? Found him!

  by sir82 in

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  ...in the jwtalk thread covering the september broadcast re: "generation".. http://jwtalk.net/forums/topic/22665-september-broadcast/page-5.

  poor neil, he comes on this forum, he gets hammered.. goes on the virulently pro-jw forum, gets hammered.. you'd almost think he was a troll.....no, couldn't be..... .

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  I like that 90's Watchtower with the old people on it and it that says this generation will not pass away and they have all since kicked the bucket. That sums up the Watchtowers generation teaching in a nut shell.
  
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  JW woman in Australia murdered by abusive husband

  by OrphanCrow in

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  *full article and video at link.

  gold coast mcdonalds shooting: victim had left abusive husband.

  stephen lock was a controlling and abusive husband who turned to drugs to try to level his volatile moods.. his wife karina, 49, was a devout jehovahs witness who, for religious reasons, stayed with him until she could take it no more.. friends of the couple have revealed details of their tumultuous relationship, which ended tragically in gunfire at a mcdonalds restaurant yesterday morning..

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  Sounds like more bad advise from the dubs JC. I know my sister was told to go back to her abusive husband as she did not get a "scriptural" divorce. Even though she is blinded by the organization, I had to give her created she stuck to her decision. She told one elder that told her to go back, "you didn't have to live with him".
  
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  Deconstructing Splanes 'Generation' explanation

  by Splash in

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  at around 4 minutes into the september 2015 video splane said "for the man and the baby to be part of josephs generation they would have had to have lived at least some time during joseph's lifespan.".

  this is the lynchpin of the wt argument, that two lives must overlap to be considered the same generation.. let's take an example of twins who are born just a few minutes apart.

  obviously, these twins are the same generation as each other.

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  I remember that talk given by Freddy Franz in 1966 that said, "1914 is now more than 50 years in the past" then went on to say about the urgency of the times.
  
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  Deconstructing Splanes 'Generation' explanation

  by Splash in

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  at around 4 minutes into the september 2015 video splane said "for the man and the baby to be part of josephs generation they would have had to have lived at least some time during joseph's lifespan.".

  this is the lynchpin of the wt argument, that two lives must overlap to be considered the same generation.. let's take an example of twins who are born just a few minutes apart.

  obviously, these twins are the same generation as each other.

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  They are reaching on this one just to make the 1914 date still relevant when we know it was all made up dates anyway.